Curse

raven214 · Jan 15, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Redfeather1975

Part of the problem is once he is attained, there is no point in using him unless you are farming with him or hero battles with your PVE character. He is a trophy right now, and some people would like an actual ritualist hero to play the game through with.
Not everyone has to like ritualists, but it's important to realize that some people like em!

If Razah was the variable profession the manual eluded to, then I'd have no qualms about going through the game and elite zones to get him. Then he'd be worth it.

QFT!

I'm tempted to try to get Razah with my main char, just so I can say I've got them all, but by the time I get through DoA, there really would be next to nothing left to do. I could imagine doing this with one char just to say I did it, but certainly not with every char... especially when I can't get him until I play through the whole game.

mariano · Jan 16, 2007, 12:56 AM // 00:56

I do not have the time to get it... ingame, not the money to buy it in eBay. I think it is unfair that I have not the ritualist hero for free... as I have the three chapters and ArenaNet has not given any gift to me for this. Well, I do not ask for a gift... I ask, merely, for what, in my humble point of view, is due to anyone which has the three chapters.

I do not, really, need:
extra monk (heroes monks do not play 'bonder'), extra warrior, extra nigro, extra ranger, ... why not puting these as "extra". Why not two mesmers, two assassins, and two ritualists... which are the professions of 3 of my 4 characters!!!

I would like to have a ritualist much more earlier... and a mesmer. I was anxiuous not finding a mesmer in Nightfall -Vabbi is too late, but fun quests, may be the most funfull of all. But: Why having to choose between him and Goren?-. Then, also, I searched and did not find a ritualist anyplace... I though that ArenaNet had been unable to implement the ritualist's Artificial Inteligence, because the item spells... and now... What a displeasure! Now, I think that with including the ritualist hero in Nightfall ArenaNet pursues merely commercial purposes, pretending that it is given "even more" with Nightfall... Well, these are my mere speculations about the reason ArenaNet may have had for doing such annoying move.

Have a good time.

Metasynaptic · Jan 16, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by mariano

I do not, really, need:
extra monk (heroes monks do not play 'bonder'), extra warrior, extra nigro, extra ranger, ... why not puting these as "extra". Why not two mesmers, two assassins, and two ritualists... which are the professions of 3 of my 4 characters!!!

Hero monks can bond just fine.

Disable life bond and target and cast it manually. Requires a little bit of micro-management, but a lot less than doing the bonding yourself.

And I assume you mean extra 'necro', unless you mean an extra koss. oO

Shady79 · Jan 28, 2007, 04:18 PM // 16:18

this thread should not get into oblivion....

/signed

I want my Razahs... now

Torikae · Jan 28, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

I don't think Razah's acquisition should be any easier. I think he should remain a bragging/status hero - If I were one of those players l33t enough to have got Razah myself already, I'd be furious if they made it easy for everyone to get him.
No.
Instead, I think they ought to give as another ritualist hero - one that can be easily acquired (and it would make sense for him to be in Factions, though tbh it doesn't bother me personally).
Let Razah stay as he is, let the people who have managed to acquire him still feel special.
But let us have a rit hero too, please?
So...
/signed in part
Make a ritusalist hero whose PvE acquisition is reasonable.
But leave Razah as is, or some people will be within their rights to get very, very angry about wasting their time and money to get him already ^^'

MegaMouse · Jan 28, 2007, 04:46 PM // 16:46

/SIGNED For beign able to get Razah easier. I have beaten NightFall with 2out of 14 characters and still dislike the DOA. I realy do not like going in there due to the main requirement of a "cookie-cutter" build. I like to be different but by beign different no-one wants you in their group.
Maybe have 2 ways to get Razah. The DOA way and maybe a multi continent quest for those of us who hate the DOA. Not just one long drawn out quest (i personaly had more than enough of those in Factions), but several quests seeking him, with each part giving clues to where he is. Something along those lines. I would actualy enjoy getting him then. As it is I won't even try for him.
Also grinding for what I am supposed to get is no fun at all. I realy dislike having to go into an area more than once just to get a title that I shouldn't need to continue the game with.

Mega Mouse

Shady79 · Jan 28, 2007, 04:47 PM // 16:47

@ Torikae: come one. some people spend 500k in time for a sword with 5 energy....

...sorry but those 2 of 10000 people with razah... hahaha no sorry.

and why should be a ritu a status hero? sense? ritu > all ? lol! no sorry again.

King Kong · Jan 28, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

I think this will be one of them things, that ANET say they will fix but never will!

Like the factions elite missions, 2 months is soon turning into a year

Torikae · Jan 28, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Shady79

@ Torikae: come one. some people spend 500k in time for a sword with 5 energy....

Only if they want a pretty one.
Which is precisely my point.

Some people spend time and money getting their hands on a crystalline sword (for example), for LOOKS, for STATUS, that is TECHNICALLY no better than a customised collector's weapon with the same mods.
Saying Razah's acquisition should be made easier is like saying crystalline swords should drop 10x more frequently. There'd be outrage amongst those who already paid a lot of money or worked very hard for their own.
(just an example - I don't even like the crystalline skin much myself :P)

If they implemented another, easy-to-acquire ritualist hero:
Some people would spend time and money getting their hands on Razah, for LOOKS, for STATUS, even though he is TECHNICALLY no better than an easier-to-acquire ritualist hero with the same skills.

And just because very few people have got their hands on Razah makes their achievement no less significant, and their opinions (I'm sure they'd hate for us to all be running around with Razah heroes after their hard work!) no less valid.

(Edit: can't spell

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Shady79 · Jan 28, 2007, 05:13 PM // 17:13

no torikae. dunno since when you are playing gw but:

a sword with 5 energy was RARE and limited. the so called "hod sword" got removed from the weapon smiths. but you could get it by trading with players. it was not special cause of the skin... the skin was ugly as hell (non-nf-gladius).

some months later anet decided to remove its status by adding +5 energy weapons to factions (and at the beginning prophecies too).

those people who bought the hod sword lost ~400k.

Torikae · Jan 28, 2007, 05:21 PM // 17:21

Yes, but that was in the past and ANet should be learning from such mistakes, and not doing that to players again.
The idea in GW is BALANCE. Everyone has access to everything just by playing through the games - max armour, max weapons, etc.
The stuff that you have to pay more for is supposed to be status only - 15 / Obsidian armour, rare skinned weapons, etc.
So I agree, yes, that we should all have access to a Ritualist hero - I agree that Razah's difficult acquisition goes against this idea of balance.
BUT, just like the scenario you mentioned with the old hod sword, it would be unfair to make Razah's acquisition easier, so causing those who already have him to 'lose' gold and time in the same way.
Other Ritualist hero = generally accessible for purposes of balance.
Razah hero = status symbol, as he requires time, money and effort to acquire.

Shady79 · Jan 28, 2007, 05:24 PM // 17:24

mistake? that was no mistake. all items/heroes/... should be obtainable for all players. And I think that's anets intention too.

Cherrie · Jan 28, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

I agree. Torikae, I don't recall an item in GW without a functional counterpart costing more than 50k (i included Vigor Rune

) - you want a sword with +5e? Amulet of the Mists is cheap like bread. Sure, there was a time when it was uber rare and OOAK, just like Rockmolder, but they are thankfully gone. So, so far there was no 'leetness' in GW apart from looks, you could have same functionality w/o the need to spend huge ammounts of time and effort to get them. Nightfall changed that ... unfortunatelly, Razah is one of the examples. Sure, you can play w/o him, but having him/not having him does make a difference, it's just like making some of armor option aviable only on FoW armor would be. And it shouldn't happen. Making his Primary variable would make the matter worse, imho (the difference between having him/not having him would be even greater). I think removing gems from his quest is a good idea - of course some ppl will 'loose' 4 gems this way, but hey, same happed with all those who bought 'hog swords' - things happen. When no gems are required, it's only the skill left.

Torikae · Jan 28, 2007, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Then why the Obsidian armour? Why the rare skinned weapons?
Everything (including Razah) IS accessible to all players, IF they invest a lot of time and effort into the game.
No, we can't all afford to do that, so they give us alternatives - collector's weapons, easy-to-farm-greens, 1.5k armour, etc.
The only thing that has no casual-play alternative at the moment is a Ritualist Hero, which is why I think one is needed.
The answer is not to make common or easier-to-achieve the rare items / armour / heroes that long-time, hardcore players can achieve, but to provide a cheaper alternative for casual gamers.
Enough argument, anyway. I've made my opinion on the matter clear enough by now

And Cherrie:

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Originally Posted by Cherrie

Torikae, I don't recall an item in GW without a functional counterpart costing more than 50k (i included Vigor Rune ) - you want a sword with +5e? Amulet of the Mists is cheap like bread.

That was my point also - I wholly agree. But providing an alternative > devaluing rare items IMHO

Edit: Ah! I see where confusion may have arisen - My fault! I did not mean that it was a 'mistake' to make +5e swords available to all - I meant that it was a mistake to do so in a way that left those who paid a lot of money for them with nothing to show for it.
THAT's why I think Razah should stay as is - so that those who work hard for him do have something to show for it, but that a ritualist hero with all the same functionality should be available to the rest of us.

Orinn · Jan 28, 2007, 06:02 PM // 18:02

And still no word from ANet on this. Even a "we don't WANT casual players to get Razah." would be preferable to the silence from them on this.

As for the whole FoW armor debate, FoW armor has a non-elite counterpart. it's not BETTER than drok's armor, it just looks different. Crystalline swords are not inherently better than a sword you buy at any weaponsmith (or from a collector.) They just have a different skin, but they don't have modifiers or abilities that you can't get anywhere else. Razah has NO functional counterpart. You can't get a rit hero anywhere else. This is why he should be taken out of DoA to begin with. The elite areas have always offered things that look good, but never before has it been something that cannot be replicated without going into the elite areas.

Putting something that can't be obtained in any other way into an area that very few people can actually get through was a bad idea. I wish ANet had thought of this before it was implemented, and I wish they would just SAY SOMETHING about it now.

Juicey Shake · Jan 28, 2007, 07:42 PM // 19:42

/signed dumb req for getting him atm, trash as it is.

Kaida the Heartless · Jan 28, 2007, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Razah is the biggest, most expensive peice of Minotaur crap in existence. The guy can't even manage spirits correctly... and he's a ritualist; the second least used class in the game (arguably the first).

The only thing Razah was good for was further breaking HA and the already screwed Hero Arenas.

chessyang · Jan 28, 2007, 11:16 PM // 23:16

/signed (sort of)

sorry to sound bias or lame.. 15+ pages.. and another thread... http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10111637 .. ya i agree w/ the OP's and most people that agree. just want the dumb guy unlocked for me. I run a B/P hero team anyways for just about everything. Can careless about a RT class/hero (sorry never played one or will ever play/create one).

So ya i guess i'll get him after i do the DoA and set aside a weekend/time.

Tachyon · Jan 28, 2007, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Well I for one am not going to acquire Razah at all. It seems that ANet don't give a crap about us people who have other commitments like a family and work. Not all of us can sit playing games for hours on end all the time.

To put content into a game that people payed good money for and then rule out the possibility of them gaining said content is just wrong.

rong626 · Jan 29, 2007, 07:43 AM // 07:43

eww rits in pve are kinda useless